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Why does the Linux community dislike Ubuntu?
« on: April 28, 2016, 04:04:51 PM »
Now, I'm not speaking for everyone, but there is a lot of hate on Ubuntu in the Linux community. Being someone who hasn't been in the Linux community for that long, I wouldn't know this... 
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Re: Why does the Linux community dislike Ubuntu?
« Reply #1 on: April 28, 2016, 04:23:18 PM »
I would not consider it as HATRED, more-so that the general public has had a vehement disdain for Canonical's decisions, both in business and their software. These are some things that rubbed me the wrong way (that I can think of off-hand) and I am sure there are a lot more.
  • Merger with Microsoft to implement bash into Windows
  • The creation of MIR (X-Replacement) when everyone was working on Wayland.
  • The infamous UNITY desktop which replaced Gnome 2
  • Monetizing Unity with Amazon products in search
  • Their implementation of Compiz removed features many of us loved.
But lets not forget that Ubuntu arguably powers the majority of Linux distributions. While we may not agree with what Canonical has been doing, we cannot argue that they have been a major contributor to the Linux ecosystem. At the end of the day it is all about choice. If you are bothered by the choices a vendor has made, you will opt to use an alternative product.
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Re: Why does the Linux community dislike Ubuntu?
« Reply #2 on: April 28, 2016, 06:42:54 PM »
+1 for what Spatry said and I see a lot of people that love Ubuntu but it definitely has its haters. :)
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Re: Re: Why does the Linux community dislike Ubuntu?
« Reply #3 on: April 28, 2016, 06:51:14 PM »
+1 for what Spatry said and I see a lot of people that love Ubuntu but it definitely has its haters. :)

Agreed. I respect Ubuntu for the positive things they have done. I do not agree with all of their decisions over the years though.

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Re: Why does the Linux community dislike Ubuntu?
« Reply #4 on: April 29, 2016, 09:29:55 AM »
That's why I run Ubuntu Minimal iso to avoid all canonical, amazon ads & ubufox.
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Re: Why does the Linux community dislike Ubuntu?
« Reply #5 on: April 29, 2016, 05:43:30 PM »
Ok. :) Thanks for explaining :D Bryan Landuke makes a lot of Ubuntu jokes and the Linux Subreddit does as well so I got really confused  ???
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Re: Why does the Linux community dislike Ubuntu?
« Reply #6 on: April 30, 2016, 05:08:33 AM »
Ok. :) Thanks for explaining :D Bryan Landuke makes a lot of Ubuntu jokes and the Linux Subreddit does as well so I got really confused  ???
To be fair, most of Bryan Lunduke's jokes are just that: jokes.
Also he usually makes jokesabout Ubuntu-hatred being a meme

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Re: Why does the Linux community dislike Ubuntu?
« Reply #7 on: May 09, 2016, 08:08:24 AM »
I think a lot of people have trust issues after that whole business with the Amazon ads and capturing search strings and selling them. I'm aware you can turn all that off easily, but the fact that those features existed whats a pretty heavy breach of trust which directly contradicts the spirit of whats going on in the Linux community right now.

That and the whole desktop interface is absolutely silly potatoes.
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Re: Why does the Linux community dislike Ubuntu?
« Reply #8 on: May 24, 2016, 09:11:29 AM »
Ubuntu is kind of the ugly duckling of the Linux world, but it's a very huge and non-ignorable ugly duckling. A good chunk of distros use it as a base, including the derivative I use: Linux Lite. I ran Ubuntu for 2 years before switching to anything else so it is probably the distro I know the most about, my second being Arch for 1 year after I ditched Ubuntu.


I remember the Unity desktop when Ubuntu switched to it in 2011 with version 11.04. At that time, I had no idea about the world of Linux, and I started with that distro in late April 2011, my very first taste ever of Linux. The articles that I remember reading, which are probably still published online somewhere, criticized the Unity desktop and why people wanted GNOME 2 back. I also had downloaded Fedora 15 "Lovelock" to test as well. It was one of the very FIRST EVER distros that came with the GNOME 3 desktop, when the GNOME project JUST had ditched version 2. Again, being new to Linux at that time didn't make a whole lot of sense trying to understand it all. The uproar of users retaliation against GNOME 3 has been around since I started in Linux. GNOME 3 is now alot worse than it was, removing the most basic features of a DE. Even XFCE has much more out of the box and it's probably a quarter of the size and RAM footprint vs. GNOME.


I loved the Unity desktop, and I still do. I loved it from day one, while most others realized Unity's potential around version 12.04 LTS. The DistroWatch reviewer, forgot his name, mentioned that Canonical "did their homework" and designed a DE that works very well for productivity, and I would agree. I am biased though, since I've used Ubuntu for 2 years before switching to ANYTHING.


To answer to why Ubuntu is hated, it's basically that people hate change. The Linux community is especially hostile to issues like this, which is why MATE exists now, due to the dissatisfaction of GNOME 3. Now that the GNOME developers are smoking crack and removing features from the DE by the day, it's high time to jump off that sinking ship and use KDE / XFCE / Insert DE or WM here. It's kinda sad now, and more sad that I didn't start Linux early enough to remember the good ole' days of GNOME 2 and why it was nearly universally liked. In fact I still don't understand what makes GNOME 2 so great and why people cared enough to continue to support it via the new branchoff called MATE.
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Re: Why does the Linux community dislike Ubuntu?
« Reply #9 on: May 24, 2016, 12:08:31 PM »
Hello everyone,

I've use Xubuntu 15.10 & 14.04 at home here. I've learned how to do lots of neat things such as Web Servers, File Servers, etc... I have no issues with it and works like a champ. I've tried Arch and Manjaro many times and I don't get the same services like a web server like I do with Debian.  Overall, I'm satisfied with Debian like distribution like Ubuntu to help with my needs.
Have a great day!  
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Re: Why does the Linux community dislike Ubuntu?
« Reply #10 on: May 26, 2016, 09:38:52 PM »
Hello everyone,

I've use Xubuntu 15.10 & 14.04 at home here. I've learned how to do lots of neat things such as Web Servers, File Servers, etc... I have no issues with it and works like a champ. I've tried Arch and Manjaro many times and I don't get the same services like a web server like I do with Debian.  Overall, I'm satisfied with Debian like distribution like Ubuntu to help with my needs.
Have a great day!  
:D You've the same experiences & issues that I do. This why I don't hop anymore distro than just Xubuntu-Debian XFCE. No matter how many times we explain to Arch, Manjaro based fans they won't understand what trauma we've been through.  :-X

Also the reason about Arch as an server that you're talking about are here:
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Server
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Re: Re: Why does the Linux community dislike Ubuntu?
« Reply #11 on: May 27, 2016, 07:53:55 AM »
:D You've the same experiences & issues that I do. This why I don't hop anymore distro than just Xubuntu-Debian XFCE. No matter how many times we explain to Arch, Manjaro based fans they won't understand what trauma we've been through.  :-X

Also the reason about Arch as an server that you're talking about are here:
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Server

Good morning Community,

I plan to do a review of Spatry's MCOLE sometime today. I'm going Virtual Box it to make it my recording possible. I'm in the process of installing the OS  right now.

Thanks for the replies :)
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Re: Why does the Linux community dislike Ubuntu?
« Reply #12 on: May 28, 2016, 01:14:36 AM »
I think it is because Ubuntu (Canonical) tends to act like any other commercial enterprise, and for most users on Linux  that is akin to dancing with the devil
However to be fair, they have done a lot in their own way to move Linux along in the direction they think it should be heading; which I would take to mean more business-like
--not only a hobbyist system.
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Re: Why does the Linux community dislike Ubuntu?
« Reply #13 on: May 29, 2016, 07:17:26 PM »
As the old saying goes "A rebel is always put off by success", i think the commercialisation of linux does put off some people and the "spyware" style features of it aren't helping with its reputation. But also ubuntu is the face of mainstream support and acceptance for the consumer/desktop version of linux while red hat dominates the professional side.

Lenovo and dell are the main 2 brands i can think of that officially certify their hardware for ubuntu, though i personally run arch linux. Like most i started with ubuntu back in version 12.04, i liked it unity i thought was quite nice i don't understand the hate that it gets.

But each to there own :) 

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Re: Re: Why does the Linux community dislike Ubuntu?
« Reply #14 on: May 30, 2016, 03:28:37 PM »

Lenovo and dell are the main 2 brands i can think of that officially certify their hardware for ubuntu

Uhm... System76 is *the* main brand. :P