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Offline GottaPlayGames

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BSD basically linux from scratch?
« on: June 21, 2015, 02:57:39 PM »
BSD looks like you have to make it from scratch, then you install xorg and the type of desktop enviorment you want and software, is this true that its made from scratch?

Offline Bendo

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Re: BSD basically linux from scratch?
« Reply #1 on: June 21, 2015, 04:39:38 PM »
BSD looks like you have to make it from scratch, then you install xorg and the type of desktop enviorment you want and software, is this true that its made from scratch?

I don't know how much you already know about operating systems but for the record it's worth pointing out that BSD isn't a Linux at all.

Offline OrvilleG

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Re: Re: BSD basically linux from scratch?
« Reply #2 on: June 21, 2015, 04:59:50 PM »
Not really. It's more along the lines of Gentoo in the context that you get a base, binary installation and then add packages from a port tree. however, FreeBSD is a lot easier to install than Gentoo.

I'd say FreeBSD alltogether is Much easier than Gentoo. Plus FreeBSD does have a package manager with repos

Offline videodrome

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Re: BSD basically linux from scratch?
« Reply #3 on: June 21, 2015, 08:31:08 PM »
FreeBSD seemed comparable to Slackware Linux.  The OS is there, you just get to install the extra bits including your choice of desktop.  


Offline c_smith

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Re: BSD basically linux from scratch?
« Reply #4 on: June 21, 2015, 09:56:15 PM »
And yet y'all are missing the real problem that comparing BSD to Linux is like comparing a football to an apple. so vastly different that you can't really compare it.

Hell, even the BSD devs say "you're better off forgetting everything you know about Linux when coming to BSD", THAT'S how different it is.

Offline Bendo

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Re: Re: BSD basically linux from scratch?
« Reply #5 on: June 21, 2015, 10:38:18 PM »
And yet y'all are missing the real problem

being the second answer in a thread = all are missing it ?

Post Merge: June 21, 2015, 11:06:48 PM

btw I'm also not a big fan of grouping UNIX and Linux together or talk about it as if it was almost the same, it never was 'the same' and it isn't even 'almost the same' for quite some time now
I don't even like the phrasing 'Linux is based on UNIX'
- Linux was written from scratch and doesn't share code with UNIX.
The features and functionality of Unix were the inspiring example for Linus, he wanted something with the same functionality as a result, but he archived that completely on his own from scratch
Therefore Linux is not 'based on UNIX'.
Ubuntu is based on Debian, Manjaro is based on Arch because they use the same base.
Linux does not use the same base as BSD or another UNIX, period.
Linux/GNU = Linux kernel + GNU
Linux kernel - written from scratch
GNU - GNU's not UNIX

-Linux kernel offers features on a low level of computing which UNIX doesn't, this features can be used and are used by software on Linux but make the software with the same implementation unusable for UNIX, even unportable.
A factor which will be increasing in the future imo

-Linux is usually identified by its kernel. We call something Linux when it runs the Linux kernel, that's the criteria.
The kernel development is separated from Distros and everything else.
That's completely different with UNIXes.

There are many other things but maybe I write about this more in depth another time
« Last Edit: June 21, 2015, 11:13:53 PM by Bendo »

Offline FOSS-user

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Re: BSD basically linux from scratch?
« Reply #6 on: June 22, 2015, 05:03:34 AM »
Linux (the kernel) was inspired by Minix, which itself wasn't actually a unix, just similar principles, but it is 'unix like'.

The Linux kernel was teamed up with the GNU utils to create an O/S.

The BSD's are direct descendants of true (AT&T) unix.
Linux since 1999, & now OpenBSD.

Offline Bendo

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Re: Re: BSD basically linux from scratch?
« Reply #7 on: June 22, 2015, 06:49:27 AM »
Linux (the kernel) was inspired by Minix, which itself wasn't actually a unix, just similar principles, but it is 'unix like'.



That's true but that still makes Linux Unix-inspired.
Minix is unixoid which means it tries to implement the behavior of Unix.
The same way Linux tries to implement the behavior of Minix.
(I think it was the standard OS at Linus' University or something)
So Linux tries to implement the functionality of an OS which tries to implement the functionality of Unix.

But it's another good point why 'Linux is based on Unix' just isn't true if you phrase it like that