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Title: Why does the Linux community dislike Ubuntu?
Post by: Penguinz0 on April 28, 2016, 04:04:51 PM
Now, I'm not speaking for everyone, but there is a lot of hate on Ubuntu in the Linux community. Being someone who hasn't been in the Linux community for that long, I wouldn't know this... 
Title: Re: Why does the Linux community dislike Ubuntu?
Post by: Spatry on April 28, 2016, 04:23:18 PM
I would not consider it as HATRED, more-so that the general public has had a vehement disdain for Canonical's decisions, both in business and their software. These are some things that rubbed me the wrong way (that I can think of off-hand) and I am sure there are a lot more.
But lets not forget that Ubuntu arguably powers the majority of Linux distributions. While we may not agree with what Canonical has been doing, we cannot argue that they have been a major contributor to the Linux ecosystem. At the end of the day it is all about choice. If you are bothered by the choices a vendor has made, you will opt to use an alternative product.
Title: Re: Why does the Linux community dislike Ubuntu?
Post by: joejohnston3 on April 28, 2016, 06:42:54 PM
+1 for what Spatry said and I see a lot of people that love Ubuntu but it definitely has its haters. :)
Title: Re: Re: Why does the Linux community dislike Ubuntu?
Post by: edge226 on April 28, 2016, 06:51:14 PM
+1 for what Spatry said and I see a lot of people that love Ubuntu but it definitely has its haters. :)

Agreed. I respect Ubuntu for the positive things they have done. I do not agree with all of their decisions over the years though.
Title: Re: Why does the Linux community dislike Ubuntu?
Post by: sapphire on April 29, 2016, 09:29:55 AM
That's why I run Ubuntu Minimal iso to avoid all canonical, amazon ads & ubufox.
Everything was according to my plan from the very beginning.
Title: Re: Why does the Linux community dislike Ubuntu?
Post by: Penguinz0 on April 29, 2016, 05:43:30 PM
Ok. :) Thanks for explaining :D Bryan Landuke makes a lot of Ubuntu jokes and the Linux Subreddit does as well so I got really confused  ???
Title: Re: Why does the Linux community dislike Ubuntu?
Post by: JayVii on April 30, 2016, 05:08:33 AM
Ok. :) Thanks for explaining :D Bryan Landuke makes a lot of Ubuntu jokes and the Linux Subreddit does as well so I got really confused  ???
To be fair, most of Bryan Lunduke's jokes are just that: jokes.
Also he usually makes jokesabout Ubuntu-hatred being a meme
Title: Re: Why does the Linux community dislike Ubuntu?
Post by: CoffeeAndBagels on May 09, 2016, 08:08:24 AM
I think a lot of people have trust issues after that whole business with the Amazon ads and capturing search strings and selling them. I'm aware you can turn all that off easily, but the fact that those features existed whats a pretty heavy breach of trust which directly contradicts the spirit of whats going on in the Linux community right now.

That and the whole desktop interface is absolutely silly potatoes.
Title: Re: Why does the Linux community dislike Ubuntu?
Post by: Teddy on May 24, 2016, 09:11:29 AM
Ubuntu is kind of the ugly duckling of the Linux world, but it's a very huge and non-ignorable ugly duckling. A good chunk of distros use it as a base, including the derivative I use: Linux Lite. I ran Ubuntu for 2 years before switching to anything else so it is probably the distro I know the most about, my second being Arch for 1 year after I ditched Ubuntu.


I remember the Unity desktop when Ubuntu switched to it in 2011 with version 11.04. At that time, I had no idea about the world of Linux, and I started with that distro in late April 2011, my very first taste ever of Linux. The articles that I remember reading, which are probably still published online somewhere, criticized the Unity desktop and why people wanted GNOME 2 back. I also had downloaded Fedora 15 "Lovelock" to test as well. It was one of the very FIRST EVER distros that came with the GNOME 3 desktop, when the GNOME project JUST had ditched version 2. Again, being new to Linux at that time didn't make a whole lot of sense trying to understand it all. The uproar of users retaliation against GNOME 3 has been around since I started in Linux. GNOME 3 is now alot worse than it was, removing the most basic features of a DE. Even XFCE has much more out of the box and it's probably a quarter of the size and RAM footprint vs. GNOME.


I loved the Unity desktop, and I still do. I loved it from day one, while most others realized Unity's potential around version 12.04 LTS. The DistroWatch reviewer, forgot his name, mentioned that Canonical "did their homework" and designed a DE that works very well for productivity, and I would agree. I am biased though, since I've used Ubuntu for 2 years before switching to ANYTHING.


To answer to why Ubuntu is hated, it's basically that people hate change. The Linux community is especially hostile to issues like this, which is why MATE exists now, due to the dissatisfaction of GNOME 3. Now that the GNOME developers are smoking crack and removing features from the DE by the day, it's high time to jump off that sinking ship and use KDE / XFCE / Insert DE or WM here. It's kinda sad now, and more sad that I didn't start Linux early enough to remember the good ole' days of GNOME 2 and why it was nearly universally liked. In fact I still don't understand what makes GNOME 2 so great and why people cared enough to continue to support it via the new branchoff called MATE.
Title: Re: Why does the Linux community dislike Ubuntu?
Post by: at54tl on May 24, 2016, 12:08:31 PM
Hello everyone,

I've use Xubuntu 15.10 & 14.04 at home here. I've learned how to do lots of neat things such as Web Servers, File Servers, etc... I have no issues with it and works like a champ. I've tried Arch and Manjaro many times and I don't get the same services like a web server like I do with Debian.  Overall, I'm satisfied with Debian like distribution like Ubuntu to help with my needs.
Have a great day!  
Title: Re: Why does the Linux community dislike Ubuntu?
Post by: sapphire on May 26, 2016, 09:38:52 PM
Hello everyone,

I've use Xubuntu 15.10 & 14.04 at home here. I've learned how to do lots of neat things such as Web Servers, File Servers, etc... I have no issues with it and works like a champ. I've tried Arch and Manjaro many times and I don't get the same services like a web server like I do with Debian.  Overall, I'm satisfied with Debian like distribution like Ubuntu to help with my needs.
Have a great day!  
:D You've the same experiences & issues that I do. This why I don't hop anymore distro than just Xubuntu-Debian XFCE. No matter how many times we explain to Arch, Manjaro based fans they won't understand what trauma we've been through.  :-X

Also the reason about Arch as an server that you're talking about are here:
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Server
Title: Re: Re: Why does the Linux community dislike Ubuntu?
Post by: at54tl on May 27, 2016, 07:53:55 AM
:D You've the same experiences & issues that I do. This why I don't hop anymore distro than just Xubuntu-Debian XFCE. No matter how many times we explain to Arch, Manjaro based fans they won't understand what trauma we've been through.  :-X

Also the reason about Arch as an server that you're talking about are here:
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Server

Good morning Community,

I plan to do a review of Spatry's MCOLE sometime today. I'm going Virtual Box it to make it my recording possible. I'm in the process of installing the OS  right now.

Thanks for the replies :)
-At54tl
Title: Re: Why does the Linux community dislike Ubuntu?
Post by: BerryJames on May 28, 2016, 01:14:36 AM
I think it is because Ubuntu (Canonical) tends to act like any other commercial enterprise, and for most users on Linux  that is akin to dancing with the devil
However to be fair, they have done a lot in their own way to move Linux along in the direction they think it should be heading; which I would take to mean more business-like
--not only a hobbyist system.
Everyone already knows that: Linux seems to run most of the internet, whether it is OSS software that supports cloud storage or other innovative ideas

Title: Re: Why does the Linux community dislike Ubuntu?
Post by: MrCoe on May 29, 2016, 07:17:26 PM
As the old saying goes "A rebel is always put off by success", i think the commercialisation of linux does put off some people and the "spyware" style features of it aren't helping with its reputation. But also ubuntu is the face of mainstream support and acceptance for the consumer/desktop version of linux while red hat dominates the professional side.

Lenovo and dell are the main 2 brands i can think of that officially certify their hardware for ubuntu, though i personally run arch linux. Like most i started with ubuntu back in version 12.04, i liked it unity i thought was quite nice i don't understand the hate that it gets.

But each to there own :) 
Title: Re: Re: Why does the Linux community dislike Ubuntu?
Post by: edge226 on May 30, 2016, 03:28:37 PM

Lenovo and dell are the main 2 brands i can think of that officially certify their hardware for ubuntu

Uhm... System76 is *the* main brand. :P
Title: Re: Why does the Linux community dislike Ubuntu?
Post by: MrCoe on May 30, 2016, 07:04:45 PM
I stand corrected... im in australia so they don't have much of a presence here lol
Title: Re: Re: Why does the Linux community dislike Ubuntu?
Post by: Linux Lounge on May 31, 2016, 03:16:33 AM
As the old saying goes "A rebel is always put off by success", i think the commercialisation of linux does put off some people and the "spyware" style features of it aren't helping with its reputation. But also ubuntu is the face of mainstream support and acceptance for the consumer/desktop version of linux while red hat dominates the professional side.

Lenovo and dell are the main 2 brands i can think of that officially certify their hardware for ubuntu, though i personally run arch linux. Like most i started with ubuntu back in version 12.04, i liked it unity i thought was quite nice i don't understand the hate that it gets.

But each to there own :)

Unity is polished but lacks the customization that other desktops have, quite possibly why Linux users dislike ubuntu, oh and also certification means nothing since 99% of people that buy a pc wont know how to install linux on it or even know what linux is
Title: Re: Re: Why does the Linux community dislike Ubuntu?
Post by: SK Linux on September 03, 2016, 02:07:03 PM
As the old saying goes "A rebel is always put off by success", i think the commercialisation of linux does put off some people and the "spyware" style features of it aren't helping with its reputation. But also ubuntu is the face of mainstream support and acceptance for the consumer/desktop version of linux while red hat dominates the professional side.

Lenovo and dell are the main 2 brands i can think of that officially certify their hardware for ubuntu, though i personally run arch linux. Like most i started with ubuntu back in version 12.04, i liked it unity i thought was quite nice i don't understand the hate that it gets.

But each to there own :)

I used unity for several months and everything worked fine in it without issues but I never liked their search bar,   the side panel is really boring after long use although I liked it in the beginning,,,  also consumes high cpu on my pc and little slow compared to xfce ,after using jwm,xfce,KDE I never want to use unity again, also I like aur better than Ubuntu repositories as a desktop user 
Title: Re: Re: Re: Why does the Linux community dislike Ubuntu?
Post by: CwF on September 03, 2016, 08:18:22 PM
Uhm... System76 is *the* main brand. :P
 I've heard of them and was happy to learn they were in Denver, so I could visit sometime... So I called them and ask if they happen to sell DVD repository sets and I had to explain what that was!? He said they don't sell what is free!?
 Never mind.
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Otherwise I've picked up on that commercial feel with ubuntu, similar to what google is to android. When will they turn. When will they too  poll, collect, assume knowledge of us users. I'm very new to Linux even though I've glanced at it every so often since the OS/2 days. I learned the benefit of the masses, so went windows at NT4 (always smp). But it seems the good days always end. I'm here exactly for the freedom and control. I'm on Xubuntu because I'm not knowledgeable enough to make my own system of that caliber, yet. I tried Ubuntu 10,12,14,16. Pigs. Xfce on whatever base has met expectations, so I have a direction. I think the Ubuntu world will lure with advancement, and will eventually monetize.
Title: Re: Why does the Linux community dislike Ubuntu?
Post by: gregorylock on September 03, 2016, 11:24:31 PM
I saw some videos made on youtube that caused me to try manjaro.  For some reason that distro didn't work for me.  Then I moved to Linux Mint.  I really loved how I was finally able to keep a distro on my hardware for nearly a year.  It was still working when I replaced it with Linux Lite.  Now I'm back to Linux Mint on this system.  I have tried ubuntu...  I can get around with it... but the only thing I like about it is the stability it brings to the distros that are based off of it.  If I could find something as stable and easy to manage for a person like myself who doesn't have time fixing issues all of the time.  Then I would be glad to leave ubuntu for the same reasons Spatry mentioned.
Title: Re: Why does the Linux community dislike Ubuntu?
Post by: Raklödder on December 08, 2016, 04:48:15 AM
I don't dislike Ubuntu's philosophy or Canonical per se, but I don't fancy Unity, which feels like a bad Gnome clone and was the major contributing factor that I'm now running on Ubuntu Gnome 17.04 (daily builds) on my laptop and Fedora 25 on my desktop.
Title: Re: Why does the Linux community dislike Ubuntu?
Post by: Kalthrix on December 09, 2016, 03:39:26 AM
I gained a really strong dislike for Unity after first launch because of how buggy it was and also the fact that the UI was really locked down where you couldn't customize much. I will have to say that my opinion has 180'd in a way as it is a very usable and attractive looking desktop. I also appreciate Canonical unlocking the dock to where we can put it at the bottom of the screen using Unity Tweak. I understand that it still has some issues, however everyone here that experienced Unity at launch and Unity now would have to agree that it has gotten way better than it used to be.

I also had a similar dislike of GNOME 3 Shell when it first came out as it was absolutely horrendous on low resolution screens. At the time that is all I had. The window title bars just took too much room and the whole shell seemed really dumbed down and restricted. However, they have really added a lot of polish to it and GNOME 3 is now a really functional desktop for those that prefer a larger, touch-friendly UI.

Seems to be a recurring theme for first launch desktops since I first started with Linux. Even Plasma 5 for KDE was horribly buggy when it first came out, but even that changed and is pretty stable. Overall, each desktop/shell seems to have had a rough start, however turned out great in the end (at least for the ones that I use mainly).
Title: Re: Why does the Linux community dislike Ubuntu?
Post by: Detroit_Bad_Boy on February 01, 2017, 01:10:23 PM
I have read all the articles that Ubuntu is being shut down by Microsoft, yet I see a 2017 entry for Ubuntu 16.10 by canonical. 
Am I missing something?
Title: Re: Re: Why does the Linux community dislike Ubuntu?
Post by: Kalthrix on February 01, 2017, 01:31:23 PM
I have read all the articles that Ubuntu is being shut down by Microsoft, yet I see a 2017 entry for Ubuntu 16.10 by canonical.
Am I missing something?

From what I could find, it was an April Fool's day joke from Fossbytes. More info below:
https://fossbytes.com/microsoft-buys-canonical-kills-ubuntu-linux-forever/ (https://fossbytes.com/microsoft-buys-canonical-kills-ubuntu-linux-forever/)

Microsoft didn't buy out Canonical/Ubuntu.