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Title: Wine, Playonlinux, and RealFlight G2
Post by: gregorylock on May 17, 2020, 07:12:27 PM
Xubuntu 18.04

I tried to install my RealFlight G2 Simulator with Wine.  Everything seemed to be going ok, but I got a DirectX error.  I continued working with it.  Then when it was time to try running it, it tried to access z:/media/gregory/RFV2.  For some reason it couldn't access it.

Playonlinux also gave me a DirectX error.  But it did access the CD Rom drive.  However I couldn't the program to run.

I'm too new to using Wine or Playonlinux.  Therefor I don't know of anyways to get around problems. 
Title: Re: Wine, Playonlinux, and RealFlight G2
Post by: Ironclaw on May 17, 2020, 08:06:05 PM
From what I can see on winehq, it looks like ever version before G5 has a garbage rating.
Title: Re: Wine, Playonlinux, and RealFlight G2
Post by: gregorylock on May 17, 2020, 08:35:34 PM
From what I can see on winehq, it looks like ever version before G5 has a garbage rating.

I'm very very very new to Wine or Playonlinux.  I never thought I would ever try to use these at all.  But the computer I want to run RealFlight on cannot virtualize.  It's got enough power to run Windows XP ontop of Xubuntu Linux, but the processor is not designed for Virtualization.  I decided to try Wine or Playonlinux.  I don't think I installed WineHQ.  I installed the Wine that is in the Repos.

Mine is a really old one.  It's G2.  When I did a search, nobody posted anything about G2.  Is this what you found?  WineHQ RealFlight (https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=9130)

Title: Re: Wine, Playonlinux, and RealFlight G2
Post by: Ironclaw on May 17, 2020, 08:39:33 PM
Well, they all use wine at one point or another which is why I checked the wine project's database.  That means that you're not likely to have very much luck with playonlinux, lutris, wine, codeweavers or anything else of the sort as they're all essentially the same codebase.

Wine does a wonderful job for lots of programs, but there are some that will probably never work.
Title: Re: Wine, Playonlinux, and RealFlight G2
Post by: gregorylock on May 17, 2020, 10:04:55 PM
Well, they all use wine at one point or another which is why I checked the wine project's database.  That means that you're not likely to have very much luck with playonlinux, lutris, wine, codeweavers or anything else of the sort as they're all essentially the same codebase.

Wine does a wonderful job for lots of programs, but there are some that will probably never work.

I don't like it that they refer to this program as a game.  People use it to practice flying.  Then they go out and actually fly.  But oh well...

It's the only important program I need to try and get working.

Today I even tried to install Windows XP onto a USB Thumb drive.  Wouldn't boot.

Last year I was able to get the RealFlight to run on one computer in VirtualBox.  Of course in 30 days that install was no good anymore.

I was going to install Windows XP on a hard drive.  Currently I'm all out of hard drives.
Title: Re: Wine, Playonlinux, and RealFlight G2
Post by: gregorylock on May 18, 2020, 07:37:37 AM
I found this today.  codeweavers Real Flight G3 (https://www.codeweavers.com/compatibility/crossover/tips/real-flight-g3/g2-g3-installation-tips-for-linux-users)
Title: Re: Wine, Playonlinux, and RealFlight G2
Post by: Ironclaw on May 18, 2020, 09:31:04 AM
Might work, I don't know.  I haven't had a codeweavers subscription for a while.
Title: Re: Wine, Playonlinux, and RealFlight G2
Post by: gregorylock on May 18, 2020, 12:00:18 PM
Might work, I don't know.  I haven't had a codeweavers subscription for a while.

I downloaded the 14 day free trial.  I'm trying to understand WINE better.
The way I tried is:
Code: [Select]
wine setup.exe
Since wine almost worked, and playonlinux did a little better.  It feels like I don't have the configuration correct.  I'm not saying that if I got that correct the flight simulator will work perfectly.  But I think it should at least install and try to run.  This was written for Windows XP.

Chris Titus Tech (https://www.youtube.com/user/homergfunk/videos) has done a few WINE videos.  I managed to watch one, and It does appear that I don't know how to setup and use the WINE command line.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmOdA5GeSqs


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hg01Z6VCox0


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lI09QLkqZiE


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3b0w2yEo34


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJ5PKkhl6vw


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKZfqmjUyBc
Title: Re: Wine, Playonlinux, and RealFlight G2
Post by: Kalthrix on May 18, 2020, 12:50:52 PM
Might work, I don't know.  I haven't had a codeweavers subscription for a while.

Can always give it a shot with Deepin since it comes bundled with a licensed copy of Codeweavers Crossover Office. Maybe first in a VM just to make sure it even works before making any decisions on buying a copy for a different distro or any changes to his current setup.
Title: Re: Wine, Playonlinux, and RealFlight G2
Post by: gregorylock on May 18, 2020, 01:01:31 PM
Can always give it a shot with Deepin since it comes bundled with a licensed copy of Codeweavers Crossover Office. Maybe first in a VM just to make sure it even works before making any decisions on buying a copy for a different distro or any changes to his current setup.

Deepin has a copy of it?  That's a little strange isn't it?
Title: Re: Wine, Playonlinux, and RealFlight G2
Post by: Kalthrix on May 18, 2020, 09:37:20 PM
Deepin has a copy of it?  That's a little strange isn't it?

Sure does. Originally, I thought the same and reached out to Codeweavers to let them know about the distro distributing their software. Apparently, they have an agreement with them. 

Still have the email from their support team. See below:

(https://drive.google.com/uc?id=1AUSWiVbtn4alvMTeyYpYzrm5S2z1WC2L)
Title: Re: Wine, Playonlinux, and RealFlight G2
Post by: gregorylock on May 22, 2020, 02:22:20 PM
Can always give it a shot with Deepin since it comes bundled with a licensed copy of Codeweavers Crossover Office. Maybe first in a VM just to make sure it even works before making any decisions on buying a copy for a different distro or any changes to his current setup.

Today I finally got into Deepin Crossover:
Deepin 15.11
Crossover 18.5.0

Deepin does not come with a registered version of Crossover.  On first launch I got a message saying.  "CrossOver Trial:  To fully enable this trial install of CrossOver, click on the 'Registry' button below.  This install will stop working in 15 days.
Title: Re: Wine, Playonlinux, and RealFlight G2
Post by: Spatry on May 23, 2020, 09:54:54 AM
Stop the presses! I guess they only had a full version for a limited time... I know I expressed concern about Crossover being included in Deepin and not other distros. You are probably better off purchasing crossover for your distribution of choice. It is my understanding that Crossover contributes a lot to the WINE project and that is the best way to support WINE. When support ends, you can still keep and use the version of Crossover you paid for. Personally, I had better success with Wine (or Proton) and Play on Linux. Crossover does what it says on the box and they have decent support on their boards. You may wish to read through their website before dropping some coin if it is a concern for you.
Title: Re: Wine, Playonlinux, and RealFlight G2
Post by: gregorylock on May 23, 2020, 10:39:55 AM
Stop the presses! I guess they only had a full version for a limited time... I know I expressed concern about Crossover being included in Deepin and not other distros. You are probably better off purchasing crossover for your distribution of choice. It is my understanding that Crossover contributes a lot to the WINE project and that is the best way to support WINE. When support ends, you can still keep and use the version of Crossover you paid for. Personally, I had better success with Wine (or Proton) and Play on Linux. Crossover does what it says on the box and they have decent support on their boards. You may wish to read through their website before dropping some coin if it is a concern for you.

It doesn't seem that my Flight Simulator works on Crossover.  I don't know what I'm doing.  But it seemed to be installing ok.  Then the second half of the install seemed to go ok.  After that it wouldn't run.  Here is what I found on the codeweavers forum (https://www.codeweavers.com/support/forums/search?keywords=realflight&search=forum&utm_campaign=trial&utm_source=trial&utm_medium=email)

Here what  Roger L. Olson said about my version G2 Posted 2009-08-12 14:30 (https://www.codeweavers.com/compatibility/crossover/forum/real-flight-g3/?mhl=59073;msg=59073#msg59073)


But this is the error I received. 

Error: E_INVALIDARG
File: I:\kelib2a\DirectX
\DXDirectSound.ccp
Line: 102

I decided to try installing Windows XP into VirtualBox.  Last year I discovered a trick to making it work there.  This year I can't make the same trick work.  I worked with it for many hours, trial and error.  Just doesn't seem to work like that anymore.  I ended up just wiping Deepin and installing Windows XP and then I had to go through the mess of searching for Windows XP drivers.  I got most of it working, but still there was somethings missing.  Even the manufactures website didn't seem to have every driver.  But the Flight Simulator will run for 30 days, and then whole system will need wiped again, and everything re installed.
Title: Re: Wine, Playonlinux, and RealFlight G2
Post by: CwF on May 23, 2020, 11:20:52 AM
...  But the Flight Simulator will run for 30 days, and then whole system will need wiped again, and everything re installed.
Note:
1. If you ever want to make a tailored install iso with all drivers, updates, and programs pre-installed let me know...
2. Without the magic of qemu-kvm you can still use the imaging utilities = MAKE A FREAKING IMAGE!
2a. Get serious and just use qemu-kvm.
3. The registration can be reset 3 times, that's 90 days not 30.
4. On the night of day 90, reinstall from the custom iso, or simply copy a new disk image.
4a. reset the registration right before you make the image and no time passes, next boot in 100 years gives you 30 days, plus the last 30!
Title: Re: Wine, Playonlinux, and RealFlight G2
Post by: Spatry on May 23, 2020, 02:22:12 PM
But the Flight Simulator will run for 30 days, and then whole system will need wiped again, and everything re installed.
WTH? Is this a DEMO? OR is the software so deprecated that it will not accept registration? This is WHY I love playonlinux and the debugger, with persistence, I am able to get most old games working in wine.

Edit: Varing versions of the software have been reported to work on WineHQ which tells me persistence is key. Try some of the suggestions in each case to see if you get profit.
Title: Re: Wine, Playonlinux, and RealFlight G2
Post by: gregorylock on May 23, 2020, 04:50:14 PM
If you ever want to make a tailored install iso with all drivers, updates, and programs pre-installed let me know...

I would like to learn how to do that. :)

WTH? Is this a DEMO? OR is the software so deprecated that it will not accept registration? This is WHY I love playonlinux and the debugger, with persistence, I am able to get most old games working in wine.


Windows XP will only run 30 days.  You know that is the sad thing about Windows.  You pay for it, but you don't get to keep and use it on anything you want.  I'm not running it on the computer that I bought it for.  That is why it will only run for 30 days.  I don't even know if Microsoft would allow anyone to activate Windows XP or not.

The Flight Simulator is out of date, and I'm no longer allowed to download the updates for it.  However the Flight Simulator has no time limit like Windows XP does.

1)  Many years ago I lost my email and password.   I emailed the company about this, and they told me that they couldn't reset it for me.

2)  Recently I learned that if I still had my email and password, I could download the last update to it.

3)  Recently I learned that they also took down the servers so you can't get the updates that way anyways.

Edit: Varing versions of the software have been reported to work on WineHQ which tells me persistence is key. Try some of the suggestions in each case to see if you get profit.

From my understanding the Demo version of the software works on Wine but not any of the full versions like mine.
Title: Re: Wine, Playonlinux, and RealFlight G2
Post by: CwF on May 23, 2020, 07:41:38 PM
Well, now that I think about it, it's a lot to build an install, and maybe harder if starting from now. Search and read about nlite, nlaom, makecab, OnePiece, RVM, and a little blackwingcat for study. M$ has utilities to manually do the same thing, cdimage.exe might be hard to find. I've made many legit disk. The last I registered was last Nov I think, I committed a retail MediaEdition to it, my last ever, a dual xeon 5672 with 4GB AMD GPU and 24GB that runs ~almost~ passive cooling.. Very close to the top of what's possible with XP 32, yes it uses all the ram and vram. I retired the Q35/6600 months prior, the third on that license. Frankly, a whole bunch of knowledge that's not that useful anymore.

A note on the 30 days, as stated you can reset that, google rundll32.exe sysetup something.

If you reset right before you shut it down, then image it, it will boot up whenever with 30 days left.

You close enough to just polish what you have and make the reset image.

And YES, you are allowed to remaster a RETAIL CD. Some computers came with OEM copies tagged to the bios, some came with RETAIL licenses. Actually, the license allows you to migrate/upgrade just not install on multiple computers, which kinda includes using the disk for endless grace periods. An image for diagnostics? That's fair I think. Make a qemu-kvm based image and you might as well give it a retail registration, I think you still can. Since I took the pill to make me forget all this at the EOL in 2014 or whenever that was...I've (re)built a few dozen special purpose XP's, they all have registered fine. Actually one did fail, not my issue, they had another box to work with. Forcing obsolete things to a value of ZERO, not fair...The 2 VM images I made years ago are registered and still work fine.
Title: Re: Wine, Playonlinux, and RealFlight G2
Post by: Spatry on May 25, 2020, 06:43:01 AM
There is another option you could try... ReactOS  (https://reactos.org/download/)Maybe your game will run on that?
Title: Re: Wine, Playonlinux, and RealFlight G2
Post by: gregorylock on June 07, 2020, 09:01:10 AM
There is another option you could try... ReactOS  (https://reactos.org/download/)Maybe your game will run on that?

I tried to install that on real hardware and the installer freezes up.
Title: Re: Wine, Playonlinux, and RealFlight G2
Post by: Spatry on June 08, 2020, 02:35:14 PM
Did you look on their forums? Maybe there is a solve. There have been times I had freezing when installing distributions and they would give a solution on their message boards.
Title: Re: Wine, Playonlinux, and RealFlight G2
Post by: gregorylock on June 11, 2020, 01:27:14 PM
Did you look on their forums? Maybe there is a solve. There have been times I had freezing when installing distributions and they would give a solution on their message boards.

I hadn't looked in there forums.  I tried it in virtualbox first and the installer seemed pretty straightforward.  Today I joined their forums, and did a quick search.  I saw that a long time ago someone had some trouble.  Didn't sound like my trouble.  I wrote up a post, and then it told me that the moderator needs to review it before it gets posted.

I also found this:
[ReadThis]ReactOS doesn't work in my computer!! (https://reactos.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=13361)

Then I found this: 
PC ROS Rigs (https://reactos.org/wiki/PC_ROS_Rigs)

My Computer is not in the list.  But the ReactLiveCD seems to be working.